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  a good photo

  by dh in

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  i don't approve of either of these guys, but i think that this is a really good photograph.. .

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  Ahhhhh, there is our Tony, staring lovingly in to George's eyes. Probably thinking, "should I kiss him now, or wait till we get back to the White House?

  Isnt love great

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  Sent them away to research 1914!

  by duckie in

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  hi all, i have not posted for some time, to bring you up to date, i recently moved, the local jw's do not know me.

  they do not know i am a fade-away.. as luck would have it, a couple of weeks ago two 50-somthing jw's, husband and wife, knocked on our door while doing normal house to house work.

  i got the standard presentation, with a strong emphasis on 1914 and the last days.

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  Brother Beyond

  Duckie,

  The thought of you playing them along like that had me in stitches. I've often thought i'd like to be in that situation, but unfortunatley the jw's around here all know who i am.

  I can imagine them relating their experience to other jw friends when they met up for morning coffee

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  For those with family in the org...

  by kibizzle in

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  ...have they justified the un involvement to you by saying that the wts was only getting information for their magazines, that they weren't "aiding" them in their political work, so the involvement was ok?.

  imo, there is no justification for the un invovement.

  how do you reason with your family when they defend the actions of the wts?

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  Brother Beyond

  Kibizzle,

  Yes, I have had a very similar response from my family. It is very frustrating. I usually show them the requirements of being an NGO. Informing them that as an NGO they had to promote the interests of the UN. This they often did under the guise of "Watching the world". In those articles the regularly informed readers of UN activities, as well as promote them.

  Still it did no good, I have even tried showing them the absolute evidence relating to the misrepresentation of the 607 date, but they would rather believe without question whta they are told through WT and at meetings.

  Yes I have also had "The internet is a tool of the devil" rebuttle, this appears to resolve most of thier problems. Anything they dislike must come from the devil, as the org is the truth, and can never lie.

  Sickening isnt it?

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  TV Presenter Caron Keating has died

  by Simon in

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  she was a presenter of kids tv (blue peter) and some daytime programmes.. .

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3625457.stm.

  pictures:.

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  Brother Beyond

  She will be missed.

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  Did the second-class status of JW women ever bother you? Does it now?

  by True North in

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  if the jw organization were considered a normal business operating without the protections of being a religion, it obviously would have to make some big changes in order to avoid being sued out of existence for sex discrimination.

  i wasn't raised to think that women should be relegated to second class status or that they should have less opportunities than men or be relegated to a limited set of life roles.

  however, when i became a jw, i freely accepted all the sexist nonsense that came with the territory without ever being bothered by it.

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  YES!!

  I guess when I was in, I just took it for granted but now it seems to be madness that JW women did by far the majority of the preaching work, yet could not receive privaleges!!

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  Calling all Elders..

  by Nadsam in

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  when you were an elder what sucked most....conducting the schoolconducting the book studyconducting the wt study (having to listen to sister know it all answer over and over...)giving public talks (trying to squeeze sense out of a one page summary of total crap)being an attendant at assembliesbeing food/cleaning/work overseer at assemblies & quickbuildsauditing the finances/paying in contributions at the banktaking the lead in unassigned territory serviceshepherding calls !!!!!

  omg !!!!

  !jc'sget togethers and having to pray !praying at the khserving the emblemsgiving counsel at the school/weaklings/youth(e.g young sisters wearing mini skirts & makeup)being always positive about the "new light" and the gb.training young msworking with the circuit overseer when he visited (on saturday afternoons)giving a "special needs talk"never being able to fart, swear or loose your tempercompelled to having missionary sex, not enjoy it and never discuss it..even with your wife, just incase it may be immoralnever seeing any good movieshaving one beer a fortnight .

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  I was an elder for 9 years, i didnt mind so much the talks etc.

  What I hated was the cover up when other elders did wrong!!

  That is why I resigned as an elder!!

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  Introduction

  by indoubt in

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  i am new to this discussion forum and i wanted to introduce myself.

  my story is rather ordinary when compared to other members of this board.. first of, i am still a baptized (irregular) jw.

  as many jws, i started having doubts when viewing the dateline show regarding child molestation withing the jws.

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  Brother Beyond

  Hi indoubt,

  I sympathise with your situation, in many ways it sounds similar to mine. My advise would be that you take control, you say that you have serious doubts about the org anyway, and that you may face a jc because of what happened several years ago!! Ask yourself one question, Who are these people to sit in judgment of you?

  If you decide to go through with the committee out of respect for your wife then I solute that. The last thing you want to do is to risk splitting up your family. Do NOT let these people control you though, because given half the chance they will do. I know they certainly tried that with me, and I was one of them!!

  I have opnly been out of the org myself for 9 mounths. If you don't mind Im going to im you my own introduction to this site I think it will demonstrate the hypochrasy and mind control that exists within the congregation, especially within the elder team!

  All the best what ever you decide!

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  searching for Weapons of Mass Destruction

  by no one in

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  go to google:.

  http://www.google.com/.

  type in 'weapons of mass destruction' in the search window.

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  Brother Beyond

  Hey No one,

  Just tried your suggested search and nearly fell of my chair laughing!!!

  Great laugh,

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  Diary of an Armeggedon Survivor

  by Gretchen956 in

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  Brother Beyond

  Gretchen956,
  

  Wow what a great post, kind of reminds me of George Orwell's 1984, Only more pertinant! It seems to portray a likely account of life after armageddon.

  When I was a JW I never considerd the immediate consequences of establishing laws and power groups following all that destruction. The picture painted in this diary makes you stop and think. It would not at all suprise me that the elders set themselves up as a spiritual police force. Especially when their links with the borg were broken. Imagine how that absolute power would go to their heads. Each of them setting themselves up as judge and jury, god, I wouldn't stand a chance!!

  Great post, to coin a society phrase "food for thought"!

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  Would you have to lie to be reinstated if DF'd for something you didn't do?

  by True North in

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  if a jw was disfellowshipped for something they didn't do -- perhaps as the result of false or mistaken accusations -- would they have to lie by "admitting" the "sin" to get reinstated.

  otherwise, if they refused to admit it, wouldn't they be considered unrepentant?

  seems like it could be a sort of catch 22.

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  Brother Beyond

  If a JW was disfellowshipped for something they didn't do -- perhaps as the result of false or mistaken accusations -- would they have to lie by "admitting" the "sin" to get reinstated?

  Ofcourse they would not lie!! Lying is wicked and from the devil, also liars will not inherit gods kingingdom! What they would have to do is to tell the 'truth', and ofcourse it would be the 'absolute truth' as only JW's have that.

  However they would need to be careful to eliminate any details of truth that did not fit the purpose trying to be achieved. If this results in changing the facts, do not feel bad about this, your concience may be eased by declaring it part of our spiritual warfare! Please remember that if you do have to alter the facts you are not guilty of lying, because after all liars will not inherit gods kingingdom! There is after all an established presidence for altering factual truth and substituting "spiritual truth" which can be based on inacuracies so long as it fits the point that is being made! (607BCE !!)

  So if any of you find yourself in this difficult position please remember not confuse absolute truth with 'spiritual truth', and what ever you do do not let simple facts get in the way of acheiving your goal!!

  Remember the rule-: Facts can be altered but 'the truth' must go on!!

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